is going and that he faces the choice between writing the next plessy versus ferguson and the next brown versus board of education. he wants to be on the right side of history. what's your response to that in. >> all of that is quite accurate except maybe where they're guessing about kennedy's mind and the right side of history. but that also sounds right to me. he did rule, he is going to be probably the deciding vote with the other justices evenly split. so which way he throws his weight will be determinative. he did decide in favor of gay rights in two previous cases. somewhat different but also somewhat the same as this. so we'll just have to wait and see about that. >> liz, i want your reaction to the fact that justice roberts' cousin who is gay jean podrasky will be in the audience. she believes that he sees the tide and that she trusts his judgment absolutely. that he will go, in the quote, good direction. that's an incredible development to have his relative. we've seen recently obviously, politicians come out because their children say they are gay and they want to support their